26. Astrological Birth Chart: All You Need to Know with Sinead Fine

Bao: 00:00

Today I'm receiving Sinead Fine, and I am quite excited about this because I came across Sinead through, I think, a summit for HSPs, and she talked about how Tarot is actually a super useful tool for business. And it got me very interested in Tarot. So I came into her world, into her free memberships or free Facebook group.

Bao: 00:23

And I got acquainted with Tarot, and I absolutely loved that. I still have this love for Tarot, a little bit less at the moment because I'm focused so much on astrology, but basically, she was my first contact with Tarot and then with astrology in the end because I know mainstream astrology. I did not believe in that.

Bao: 00:43

I thought it was biased and doomed and everything and stupid until she offered to have a quick and succinct astrological birth chart and I was really curious about that. It was back in winter of last year. So December, 2022. And I just thought, you know what, I'm going to do that just out of curiosity.

Bao: 01:07

And I was amazed by what she could see from my birth chart. Before her, I did not know what the birth chart reading was. I was just curious, but she saw so much in me, like everything fitted. She could see where my trauma was. She could see what type of like personality do I have, but not just a type, but really she could see things that were so true to me.

Bao: 01:30

And it was just so crazy. And since then, I have been wanting to interview her about birth chart readings, because I had so many questions around that. Today, I will have this conversation with her. So Sinead Fine is an Irish woman who has traveled the world gathering experiences along the way. With her background in magic, shamanism, and natural medicine, she weaves multiple strands into her present day tarot and astralizations. She has an online school called Tarot for Women. I am part of the school and she teaches about Tarot, oracle cards, intuition, the divine feminine, and so much more. It is her signature program the diploma in Tarot is very popular. And she takes a focus group of students every year through the cards to success. If you wanna know more about her and about astrological birth child readings, this is the episode for you. So stay tuned. We're about to start.

Bao: 02:49

Sinead how are you?

Sinead: 02:50

I'm really good. Thank you.

Bao: 02:52

I'm so, so excited for this conversation. So Jeanette, you did my birth chart, I think at the beginning of the year, and it was the first time that I had my birth chart read. And I was so amazed about the accuracy and all the information that you got from just reading it. And so I just thought I would invite you to have this conversation with you.

Bao: 03:14

Like I have so many questions.

Sinead: 03:16

Yeah sure.

Bao: 03:17

But let's start first with the beginning. I like asking my guests, do you identify as an empath or HSP?

Sinead: 03:25

Well, I would say both. Like I've done a quiz once where I was a HSP empath because I was nearly all of the questions positive. So I would see myself as both.

Bao: 03:35

So how has been your journey as an empath or HSP like I know that you teach is Tarot. You also read astrological birth chart. What has been your journey as an empath or HSP?

Sinead: 03:46

I didn't know I was one. I thought I was the weirdo in my little town in Ireland. Um, I've always known things. I've always met people and known things about them or had dreams that came true or had feelings when I walked into a room and the feelings were correct and confirmed and I just thought I was an oddball.

Sinead: 04:05

And when I got into Tarot, it kind of was a tool for me to kind of show my weirdness to the world. I rejected it in a way like I had two business cards. I had a business as a naturopath homeopath and I had a business as a tarot reader with two different business cards because it was a part of me that didn't accept myself.

Sinead: 04:22

And then it was just before the coronavirus, I came across, uh, Julie Bajelant. I don't have, that's how I pronounce her surname and she had this, uh, podcast and started listening to it. And then there was this quiz on her website. And when I filled it in, I went, Oh my God, I'm one of those types of HSPs, whatever that is and I started reading about it and it's like, Oh my God, everything makes sense. So it's so crazy that I got to the age of like 44 and I didn't know that I was a HSP. I knew that I was psychic and intuitive. I knew that I was empathic, but I never used the words HSP or empath, so it was quite new for me.

Sinead: 04:58

And later on, I ended up being on her podcast and talking to her about it. It's been a rollercoaster journey to be so sensitive. And yet also I'm a very practical person and I love science and I love data and it was very hard for me to bridge the gap between the two because here I am, I like to talk about science, data, facts, and then I sit down and pull out my tarot cards.

Sinead: 05:19

I really did feel like I had a personality. It was very hard for me to accept those two very seemingly contradictory parts of myself. And learning that I was a HSP kind of, for me, brought everything together and made the self acceptance more strong. Um, I've always been doing Tarot professionally since 1997, and because astrology is inside tarot cards, I've been using astrology as well.

Sinead: 05:46

It was around that time when I discovered I was a HSP that I dived into reading birth charts for other people. Before that I would just look at them or wonder about them, but I wasn't doing them for people. I would just check them, but I wouldn't actually read them and around that time, around 2020, I started, maybe it was even 2019, I started reading birth charts.

Bao: 06:07

I love that. It's a beautiful example of how knowing about what an HSP or empath is actually liberating and it actually brings you so much more self awareness, but also self acceptance. And it is where you can see the bridge, what you were saying about those two parts of you. This is this bridge actually.

Sinead: 06:27

Yeah, like why can't I go into the crowds like my friends? I hate crowds. I feel too sensitized. I pick up on everything. Why can't I go into crowds? Why do loud noises upset me? Why do I need so much downtime? Why do I need so much alone time? And I judged it, even though I had this gift as a psychic and a tarot reader, I didn't know about HSP, which is kind of weird, but I didn't.

Bao: 06:52

I think you mentioned that before. It sounded new to me today that you love science. And I feel that the more I learn about astrology and the more I realize how much knowledge there is behind it. So it is not considered a science, but it does feel like this sometimes. So. What would you say a birth chart is? How do you define a birth chart?

Sinead: 07:15

Well, if we go back to the science thing, it was actually science until the middle ages, until like the enlightenment, it was science like doctors had to study astrology because they would look up birth charts of their wealthy clients or whatever. So it was considered a science and astronomy comes from astrology, from the study of the skies. What is a birth chart? A birth chart is basically taking a photograph, you know, theoretically, taking a photograph of the sky the moment that you're born, and putting it down on a 2D diagram called a house system, like a pie chart of 12 pieces. You take a picture of the sky, you put it down on this piece of paper, and the planets land in different places depending on where they were in the sky, and they land in a zodiac sign, and they land in a house and then they all interact with each other and the whole thing tells us who the person is and I never believed in it. Astrology is inside Tarot. So when I was reading for Tarot, they would ask me questions like, I'm a Taurus, who would suit me best? And I would, you know, explain through the cards. So I understood astrology, but I didn't know if I even believed in it because for me it wasn't scientific enough.

Sinead: 08:25

But then when I started my business. I had a business for years face to face, but when I moved to where I live now, which is Israel, I realized I can't read for the local people because I don't have Hebrew and I went online and I started an online business. And then I was like, how do I read for someone in America that I've never met before, that I'm not going to sit across from, that I can't see their body language. And then that's when I started looking at, I'll show you, I just look at their birth charts. You know, I don't really believe it, but I'll just look at it. And I would apologize to the person when I would send them a reading. I'd say like, I'm not an astrologer, but this is what your chart is saying and every single time they would reply and say, Oh my God, that was so accurate.

Sinead: 09:07

So I started going, okay, I don't think it's scientific, but it keeps being proven correctly. Empirically, it keeps being proven that it's correct and precise. How could that be? So it's not accepted by mainstream science. But I find it a very accurate tool. So I've kind of put my judgment to the side and I've just trusted that I just basically translate the chart for the person and I haven't had anybody yet so far that said to me that makes no sense whatsoever. So far, I'm sure at some stage it may happen, but then they've probably given me the wrong time of birth.

Sinead: 09:45

It just felt so amazing because I didn't know how much you could read from it, from my life or who I am, and when you did that reading, and one thing that struck me is that actually you could read that I had a mother wound and it was probably just an emotional trauma because it was, I think, in Gemini and I was just amazed that you could find that from my child. And I believe that it's as complex as a person can be a child. So what can we learn from a birth chart in the different areas of life, whether it's like relationship, money or career, what is it that you can extract from it? Wow, so much. Like you could sit and read a birth chart for a day. There's layers and layers and layers and there's so many different types of astrology nowadays. So the system I use is the Tropical Zodiac and I use the Placidus house system. But there's different types of Zodiacs, not Zodiacs, there's different types of astrological systems, there's different types of house systems.

Sinead: 10:45

I use the one that's most popular and you can tell so much because I kind of come from an archetypal point of view and I see the planets as like. the sun, the moon, the eight planets as archetypes. And then they're sitting inside zodiac signs, which are also archetypes and then they're sitting inside houses.

Sinead: 11:07

In the charts, yeah, there's 12 houses, which are areas of life. So I can say, well, your moon is in Gemini in the 10th house. Therefore, this could mean, and I would explain it. But then I would say, but your moon has aspects of these, uh, lines that point to different planets. They can be good, they can be bad, they can be difficult, they can be easy. But your moon has a positive aspect to this. Moon has a negative aspect to this and this is what it could mean. I never say it does mean, I say it could mean because I never assume that I'm ever 100% correct. So every area of that chart represents something. There's 12 pieces of a pie chart on the chart and each piece of that pie chart means something. Like the second house is about resources. Resources could be in the modern day, it's often money. It's the things that we have. However, if we lived in the cave times, you know, where there was no money, the resources would have been the ability to make fire, the ability to hunt, the ability to wear skins in the winter.

Sinead: 12:08

So it's the house of resources. So if I've got anything going on in there, I can tell the person about the relationship to resources, the relationship to money, maybe they've got money blocks, maybe money comes easily. I could look at the fourth house and look at the relationship to their family. It's also about the family, the tribe, your roots, your own deep roots into where you come from, where you belong. Sometimes you'll see trauma there, you know, family trauma, sometimes issues with the mother. The mother's often associated with the fourth house. So each house has its own area. that dictates what it means. And then I look at what's landing there or not landing there, aspects between the planets. You could read a birth chart for hours, but generally when I do what I tend to do, I cover all the basics in the two hour reading.

Sinead: 12:57

I can do shorter than that, but I find that with the two hours for someone that's never had the birth chart right before. That gives me enough time to really go into the details, and I really look at it from an archetypal point of view, and I look at it as a way of developing ourselves and evolving. I don't see it as something set and concrete. I see it as here is information. What am I going to do about it? Am I going to be a victim of it, or am I going to be the hero of this story that's laid out in front of me?

Bao: 13:27

It comes to my next question, which is like, how predictive is a birth child because when you read mine, it's super accurate around my personality and my past I think there is a little bit of future in it from where I stand in my life and I'm just wondering, like, how much of it is going to happen if I only unlock a certain potential or how much of it will definitely happen, whatever I do.

Sinead: 13:53

Okay, so there's two ways of looking at it. First of all, your birth chart is like your blueprint and it will show you the patterns that you may repeat in life or the challenges or your superpowers. And before you even think about looking at the future, you've got to really understand your blueprint. where you're coming from, what's the challenges, what's the ancestral stuff that's going on in your chart, because then it's easier to predict what could possibly happen and there is a branch of astrology that uses things called transits or progressions or solar arcs, where they are actually predicting the future. They would say Mars will be in your sixth house in this week. You may need to be more careful about a YZ. So the way I see predictions is I see them as energies that are going to be coming and then what do we make of them? So it's handy to know them. For example, if someone says to me, it's going to rain tomorrow, you need to bring a number relevant you. That saves me going out the next day and not getting wet. Okay, so I can go out with the umbrella and I won't get my hair wet. So knowing what's coming in terms of energies is great, but when it comes to predicting very precisely, I personally am a bit wary about it because if someone said to me, you will go out tomorrow, take an umbrella, you're going to go to the restaurant and after you're paying the bill, the waiter will come, you will look in his eyes and you will fall in love with him and you will marry him. That's very, very predictive. Okay. I don't tend to go down that road. There are astrologers that can do that. Okay, there are specific astrologers that will get very precise. I tend to look more at the energies. I might say your Chiron return is coming. Chiron is this planetoid that has a cycle of between 49 and 51 years.

Sinead: 15:41

It comes back to the place. where it was when we were born. It's, he's called the wounded healer. So it's good to know that it's coming and the dates and what it could bring up. And it's good to prepare for it or if Mercury retrograde is coming, this is where Mercury looks like it's going backwards in the sky. It's not, it's just an illusion, but it looks like it's going backwards. It's called Mercury retrograde. Many people talk about it. Oh no, it's Mercury retrograde. And Mercury is the planet of communication. So they say that when Mercury is retrograde, your communication might not be as clear or precise. The information that you have on your computer may accidentally get deleted.

Sinead: 16:21

So always, before Mercury retrograde happens, I back up everything. I back up my phone, my computer, I back up anyway every month, but I make sure before Mercury Retrograde starts that I do and for example, I bought this new laptop, seven weeks old, it just died and it died during Mercury Retrograde. Could be a coincidence, who knows, but I knew that Mercury Retrograde was coming and I had backed up. And so I didn't freak out when my laptop died and I had to send it to get fixed. So for me, it's a way of preparing energetically for things that are coming energetically, because what's happening is right now in the sky, the planets are moving. It's not like the planet stopped the minute that we were born. The minute we were born, we took a photograph and that's our birth chart, but the planets now are moving through the sky, they're transiting through the sky, and then they can affect our birth chart. There's a relationship between the sky now and our birth chart. This is what we call transits. So we can go, okay, Saturn right now is here and therefore on my birth chart, it's going to trigger or awaken or challenge this part of my chart.

Sinead: 17:30

The area of family or the area of career. So, for example, if someone has a business, they're an entrepreneur and they're like, I'm going to launch my course, I might say, well, this month may be better than that month, according to your birth chart. I would never say 100%, but, you know, if you're looking for a rough estimate, here we go. So, yes, it can show the future, but again, it's showing a possible future, it's showing the energies that will be there. What we make of the energies is up to us. I might know that Mercury retrograde grades coming and I don't back up my computer, or I know that it's going to rain tomorrow and I choose not to go out with an umbrella. So it's knowing what the energies are and then working with them and not against them.

Bao: 18:15

But without even coming to the discussion around transit, like I feel that sometimes in birth charts. So I read a book when the woman just analyze two birth charts and one was the one of Frida Kahlo and the other one from Maya Angelou and both had their rising in Leo. And they were also meant to be very loud with their voices, et cetera. And I just wonder, like, do you have things that predicts? Celebrity and so if it's the case, how much do you have to act on it or will this happen naturally? And for example, for me, I have a lot of my signs. So I have the sun, the moon, Mercury and Venus in the third house. And I also have my north note in Gemini. So I feel that my life is a lot around communication, and I'm just like, what does it mean? Does it mean that I will get rich and famous if I just go all in into that or does it mean that whatever I do, I will always end up being an author or podcaster or whatever, you know? So how much free will is that? How much prediction?

Sinead: 19:25

Okay, so you're talking about the birth chart in regards to knowing the personality of the person and what they would be good at. So if someone has a rising sign in Leo, the rising sign, the ascendant, is how they go out into the world, yeah? So they will go out as a Leo. That will be what you will meet first. That will be naturally what they will do. And the sun is more interesting, it's more like, you know, there's different definitions by different astrologers, but the way I work, I see the sun as how we shine, the essence of who we are. And then the moon is our emotional world.

Sinead: 19:55

So you can tell a lot by what a person's natural talents are. So if someone comes to me and they say, I'm an accountant and I hate my job and I look at their birth chart and I go, wow, everything is going on here that makes it look like Have you ever done acting? Have you ever gone to the local community center and done some acting, you know, with the local drama and they're like, no, I've always wanted to, but I was a bit nervous and I said, well, why don't you just go and try it? And then they might contact me a month later and go, Oh my God, this is it. I found my thing because I looked at their birth chart and I went, I don't see where the energies are pointing towards accounting. And I will never say to someone, don't do what you're doing. But I might suggest to look in other areas if I see that they're really on the wrong path for themselves. Um, I think you've got to be careful with astrology because I'm sure there are probably astrologers out there that are more black and white and tell people what to do and I'm very wary myself about doing that, but I do make suggestions.

Sinead: 20:53

So, for example, my moon is in Gemini. The moon is the emotional world, how we emotionally relate to the world, to ourselves, how we regulate. So mine is in Gemini. So when I need to regulate myself, I need to talk with someone. I need to pick up the phone and ring a friend and... Go through the mess in my head, and then I feel better.

Sinead: 21:13

I know that, but the chart also tells me that, that my way to mostly regulate will be in a Gemini way. It could be through communication, or writing, or journaling. So when you say that you've got a lot in your third house, that's going to be where you've got extra natural talents, perhaps. But again, I would have to look at your whole chart. I would have to look at the aspects. Maybe there is a lot of talent there, but it's blocked by an aspect of a planet from somewhere else. So when you look at each thing individually, it's harder. You need to look at it as a whole interconnect, like we are interconnected with all the pieces. So I see a birth chart as like a puzzle that I go in and I do detective work on. I'm a Scorpio. I like to do that. I love looking at a birth chart for the first time and going, Ooh, what do I find? Where do I go with this? Where's the energies? So yeah, it shows people's natural talents. It can show people's tendency. For example, if someone gets Jupiter in their fifth house, Jupiter is the planet of expansion, the planet of luck, the planet of good fortune. The fifth house is the house of pleasure. So it can be lots of different things that bring us pleasure, but one of the things that can bring us pleasure. We may go too overboard with it and become addicted. So you can get alcohol in here, parties, gambling. Jupiter, the planet of expansion. It's ever, ever expanding, is in your fifth house could be, maybe, that that person may be more prone to overdoing it or addiction. And I might point that out. I might say, how's your relationship to alcohol or gambling or smoking or whatever. So you can see where the challenges are and then you can see where the superpowers are. So you can point them out to someone then they can go, Oh yeah, I knew that. Or they can say, I was always curious, but I wasn't sure. And then I'm like, so go, go explore it. And if they have a challenge, I would say, so what can we do about this challenge? What's the tools that you need to overcome this challenge? Because everybody has challenges on their chart.

Sinead: 23:14

Every person has challenges. And the thing is like, I've never looked at Oprah Winfrey's chart or Tony Robbins chart, but they had difficult childhoods, but they overcame the challenges. So challenges are not a bad thing. Challenges can develop our personality that can make us a richer, deeper person. So challenges are not a bad thing, but they can be difficult like life. Life can be difficult. It's not all a bed of roses. So yeah, you can look at a birth chart and I call it like the blueprint and it's the blueprint that will show the patterns that can be repeated, the challenges that tend to come up again and again. And that's where probably you're talking about the predictive elements, you know. It's fairly predictive that this person may pick up a bottle of alcohol and become an alcoholic because there's trauma in their fourth house of family. They've got Jupiter in their fifth house. So, you know, you can see a lot.

Bao: 24:06

Yeah, I can see that. I'm wondering, so once I was at a party and I read a few birth charts, but I have like zero knowledge in astrology. So I was just picking up those things individually, like you just said before, but it was fun and I read for this woman, she's actually the mom of a friend, and my friend has a mother wound. And somehow I was stuck in that situation when I had to read the birth chart for, for her mom. And so what I read was kind of like the worst thing I could read about a person. And I felt like everything that I read was around how life is difficult, how she's never understood, how she has like so many challenges to overcome. And when I read that, I felt. Very bad, actually. So they knew I'm not an astrologer and they were still curious about it. And I was just wondering, like, what do you do with that? What do you do when your birth chart shows like a lifetime of challenges? I'm a positive person. I'm quite optimistic and hopeful and kind of make me hopeless when I read that. And I was just like, are you trapped in that or what can you do?

Sinead: 25:16

It depends on what astrology you talk to. I personally believe that we're not trapped in it. I follow the kind of like an evolutionary astrology point of view. And I believe that it's a blueprint that from that we can make changes. So when I see what I would call a more difficult birth chart, the first thing I would do is I would come on empathy and I would say, it looks like it's been hard for you. It looks like these areas of your life have been difficult. And I don't believe that anybody is lost. No matter how difficult their life is, their situation, there can always be hope. And I would be looking for the hope in the chart. I would be looking for where they have strength in the chart. And I would be focusing on that. And if there's a challenge, What can we do together as we look at your birth chart to understand the challenge? What if the challenge was a gift or what if the challenge was something that could make you a better Understanding or stronger person and then I would look for the hope of the chart There's always hope in the chart always and it might just take a bit of time to find it It could be that their Sun is in a great placement or their Jupiter or their Mercury. And so it's about Empathy. What can we do about these challenges? How can we break these patterns that have been repeated? And where is the hope? There was an astrologer talking a few years ago, and then I read her book, and she claimed that her chart didn't look so easy. And so, it could be... that it would be judged in a bad way because her chart didn't look so good.

Sinead: 26:45

And yet she's made her life amazing because she understood her chart. And she said, this is my challenge and this is what I need to do to overcome it. So it's about showing the places where there's hope. And there are people that have more difficult lives. And I look for the hope and I look for the ability to evolve and to adapt and to change. And you know, I always have my resource list. I always say, you know, okay, I meet someone and they're an alcoholic. So what can they do? Where can they go? There's a local 12 step meeting. There's a local counselor, or I always have my resources that I can hand out to people because I don't see myself as a psychotherapist or a counselor. I hold the space. I translate the information and then I go, these are your challenges. You could think about reading this book, going to this therapist, checking out this podcast and, you know, go from there. But I like to finish it with always giving people hope because I believe that we are the creators of a reality.

Bao: 27:43

I really like what you're saying. I feel that it is so empowering. It brings you so much clarity and knowledge around your own life and then you really have the power to act on it, because I feel that if you have a difficult life or if you coming from, yeah, a lifetime of trauma or whatever, it might be confusing to know what can I do about it? But with help of a birth chart, it can also give you a hint of where do I focus on and what are the things I could try that could also help me to find peace and to find forgiveness. So I love what you're saying.

Sinead: 28:21

Also, self acceptance, you know, it's like I got my birth chart, I was dabbling in it and then I got my birth chart read, I think it was 2020, by my friend Bet Lenko, she's an amazing astrologer and she looked at my chart and she explained things to me and it was like light bulbs going off because even though I've been looking at it, it's hard sometimes to understand your own, it's like when you read Tarot cards for yourself and she was able to explain things and I had this Huge waves of self acceptance. Okay, that's how I communicate. That's how I react when I'm angry. This is how I nurture. This is the type of way I need to be loved. And it just clarified things for me and gave me self acceptance. And then it also said, well, this is a pattern that you have that's not so healthy. Okay. What do I need to do about it? How can I overcome it? And then when that pattern would come up again, I go, hello, Saturn, and you and your old pattern, let's have a conversation with you and let's work this out. So for me, it's empowering. I love being able to read for other people and show them a mirror to the beauty that's within them and the hope that's within them, you know, because we all have that too.

Bao: 29:26

I love your explanation so much more than mine, so my explanation for myself when I read that is that, you know, I saw once a picture and it was a mom with a little girl and the mom was saying, I'm not going to heal all my wounds. Like you will get my wounds, but in the end it will be your role to heal them. I won't heal mine because I have a mother wound my friend had a mother one. I just thought maybe on a human point of view, maybe that's just what we are meant to, my friend and I, just to heal those wounds so we can bring that to the next generation. And maybe it was never the role of our moms to heal their wounds. You know what I mean? But the way you explained that, it's so much more hopeful for, for those who have a difficult birth child.

Sinead: 30:17

You're saying I have a mother wound. You're making the choice to explore and to heal it. You may choose not to, and then your future trajectory would be different, because as we heal, we create a different future. You can often see in a chart generational trauma. And then I would often send people towards people like Gabor Mate, who I adore, and I love the way he explains trauma and generational trauma and addictions. So I have my resources where I send people to, but you're making the choice. You're self consciously to look at it, to explore it, and to heal it, so as not to pass it down. Maybe, you know, your mother decided that she couldn't, she didn't have the resources, or she didn't even know she had a wound, or she didn't know what to do about it. I think we're moving into an age where we've got so much information, and more access to resources than ever before. Which is a good thing that we can find out these things.

Bao: 31:13

You mentioned before this example of an accountant, maybe needing to try something else, like acting if it's in their personal but what if it happens a lot with young people? But what if they are drawn to something somehow? Like they are right fresh from out of university and they feel like I do want to try accounting, but somehow nothing points that to this in their birth chart in quite the other direction. So what do you recommend there? Like, do you just tell them to try and see how it feels?

Sinead: 31:46

I believe in free will. So someone comes and they says, I'm so excited. I'm going to go and be an accountant. I'll go great and while we're here, let's look at your birth chart and see what other things you're excited about. So that if they go and they do accounting and go, Oh my God, this was a terrible mistake. I remember my birth chart reading saying that I'm also interested in these areas and then they can go and explore it because I always assume that maybe this time I'm wrong. You know, I would never say to someone, no, don't go to that exciting thing. that you're very excited about. I would go and try. My kids will grow up and they'll say, Mom, I want to get a backpack and I want to go into the jungle in the Amazon. And I'll be terrified. I won't want them to do that. You know, as a mother, of course, as an adult, I would want them to do it. It's about giving them the free will and the experience. And I would be the same with the child. I would say, great, but let's have a look at other things as well. And what I get often is people, especially between the age of like 47 to like 52, 53, around that time, the Chiron's returning. I get a lot of people coming to me going, I'm lost. I have no clue who I am, what I want to do, what I'm good at. And then we go back to the basics and we look at the chart and go, okay, this is what you've been doing for 20 years and you're miserable. If you were going to change, what I'm seeing is that you have talents in these areas. Is that true? Or have you explored it? So you do get those cases, but if someone comes in, they're very, very excited about something and I don't see it in the chart, either they give me the wrong birth time or I assume that maybe I'm wrong and then the third thing is I would say, try, you know, try it. You're very excited about it and you believe that this is your way. It would be wrong to tell them not to, but I would say and look at these other areas of your chart.

Bao: 33:33

You never know whether it's a good experience or not. You never know what the learnings will be so.

Sinead: 33:39

I'm from the philosophy that everything that happens to me is good for me, even the hardest difficult times, because I can find the piece of gold in it. Anything that's ever happened to me, I can choose. It's a choice. I can choose to find the gold in it. And that's moving away from. the victim type of role. I would say that I was very much a victim as a teenager in my 20s and then I did lots of self development and then I kind of switched it and now I have a terrible experience and I go, okay, or horrible or stressful. I go, what can I benefit from in this? What's the lesson in it? How can I grow from this experience? So sometimes it's just a matter of perspective.

Bao: 34:17

So from my own experience, you told me my birth chart, that I will have maybe a spiritual awakening a little bit later down the road. You had this feeling that it was going to be around like with angels. And when you told me that it was beginning of the year, I was so much not interested in angels and I was just like, okay, maybe let's see. And now I can see how it's going to happen because I'm getting more and more interested in angels. I have experience lately. I believe that they try to communicate with me.

Bao: 34:46

So I love how the birdshed was not necessarily a way for me to be like, Oh, now I'm going to read everything about angels. But it was just like, yeah, let's see if it happens and then when it happens, I'm just like, Oh, wow. It makes a lot of sense. And so The more I read about astrology and birth chart, and the more I realize it's really not just, as you said, reading the different parts of it, it's also about seeing it as a whole. So, since you read birth chart professionally, like how much would you say is fact or learned and how much is your own intuition and knowledge about the person?

Sinead: 35:25

So there's many, many different types of astrologers using different systems. So when I speak, I'm only speaking for myself because I can't assume that other astrologers practice the way I do because I'm an empath, because I'm an HSP, because I've done Tarot for so long, because I work with archetypes and because sometimes I will be reading cards for someone or reading a chart for someone, and I will just get information. And I don't know where it came from. I don't know if it's accurate. And I may just say it. And usually it is not, you know, I'm not assuming it's a hundred percent. So when I said that about the angels, I may have looked at something in your birth chart. It may have been looking around the night house. Maybe I can't remember because it was back at the beginning of the year. And maybe that was just something that came to me. So when I'm reading astrology charts, I will always read what I see the facts, the data, the information, how I interpret it, but I will also let my intuition come in.

Sinead: 36:22

Some astrologers do not. Some astrologers are very much based on data. Some astrologers call themselves intuitive astrologers, and they go much more into the intuitive side and less into the facts. I always start with the facts, and then if I get information, From, you know, people call it channeling if you want to be official, I will say that because if it's very clear for me and it's coming, I've learned over the years to trust it. I've learned over the years where I might have a thing where I read a birth chart for someone and I just know that there's a big issue with their dad and I may see a hint of it in the birth chart, but it's very, very clear to me energetically and I will always ask, have you an issue with your father? And then they will say yes, and then I will say because this is what I'm feeling, this is what I'm getting. Is this correct? So, you know, and then I'm going down that road and that could be the intuitive side. So if I was going to give it a percentage, I would say I read 70% data facts and probably about 30% intuitive. And again, it depends on the day, it depends on the person, it depends on the chart, but I do myself bring in intuition. Some astrologers bring in more, some bring in less or none at all. That's why you could go to 10 different astrologers and get your birth chart read and each time you learn something new because it's a different perspective. So it's like, um, if you're a student of mine studying Tarot and I lay out the cards and I have 10 students around the table, each one will give a slightly different interpretation. But the person receiving the reading will agree with each one because it will resonate on a different point. So, yeah, I think intuition for me, it does come in, definitely.

Bao: 38:05

I love that so much. Thank you so much, Sinead, for this interview. I learned tons. It was so nice to have this conversation with you. So in case people want to work with you or they want to have their birth chart read by you, where can they reach out to you?

Sinead: 38:20

They can find me on Facebook, Sinead Fine or they can go to my website tarot for women. com and on the homepage, there's links for Tarot readings, there's links for astrology readings, and they can just follow the process. They can private message me on Facebook. I've got a contact form on the website. That's how they can find me.

Bao: 38:38

Amazing. Thank you so much.

Sinead: 38:40

Thank you. I always love talking about astrology.

Bao: 38:44

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